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[liliaeth]

I think I'm starting to have a problem in both Supernatural's RPS as well as the FPS fandom.

Lately I've started to notice more and more people writing Jared, or even worse, Sam, as the bottom in the pairing. (at least with Jared there's no canon personality to do away with, but Sam is so obviously a top in canon that putting him as the bottom in any pairing pulls me right out of the story) That along with the rise of Misha/Castiel centric kink fic. I don't like it, and not just for aesthetic reasons.

I know it's nobody elses problem but mine, but I'm just not as emotionally attached to Jared, Sam, Misha or Castiel as I am to Dean and Jensen. And I really dislike reading Jensen or Dean written as the top. It just doesn't suit either character, at all(Dean is just so deliciously submissive in most of his interactions with women and he looks so pretty when dominated, that having him on top just takes something away from his potential). Well that and I tend to emotionally invest in the bottom in the pairing. So if you put a character I'm not as invested in, as the bottom of the pairing, I just won't connect as strongly to your fic as I would to one with Jensen or Dean as the bottom.

It's annoying really, when fandom seems to be moving in a direction that holds little to no interest to me, and I wish there was a way to get more people back into writing Dean or Jensen as the bottom *pouts*

Also added on to this...

If you want me to start liking Sam again after s8, then the answer isn't Dean finding out just how bad Sam really had it while Dean was in Purgatory, cause right now, I find it hard enough to have sympathy with Sam, without the writer having Dean needing to start feeling sorry for his brother.

What I need to read is Sam realizing just how bad things were for his brother in Purgatory, him to start feeling sorry for what he did to his brother and maybe possibly, him starting to show some remorse over his attitude towards his brother.

I find it hard enough to keep liking Sam, and the very last thing I need is someone going on the woe poor Sam path, cause right now, I just don't fucking care.

Comments

[serendip50.livejournal.com]

I feel like you...I have noticed especially in the kink memes an abundance of bottom Jared more so than in previous years. However, I flick through journals that I know write bottom Jensen or Dean and read fics which I perhaps missed from the past or even recent. I also have many older and new fics featuring bottom Jensen or Dean in my extensive reading list...so.

I follow, track only those writers whom I know write the bottom of my preference. Though I would say that a lot of these authors, from even a year ago, seem to have left this fandom or moved to another site and of course that only exacerbates the irritation you highlight. In some cases they are just more involved in rl and find it difficult to post regularly.

It's disheartening when some of the most prolific writers whom I followed, and dare I say wonderfully expansive (lengthy involved stories) imaginative and cognitive in their writing, have left:(.

I love J2 .... but more and more I am thinking of finding another pairing that speaks to me as these two have done for so many years:).
Having said that there are still writers out there that I track for their bottom Jensen stories. I'm not so invested in Sam/Dean.

Yup

[ultimateground7.livejournal.com]

Well, I don't really understand why you no longer like Sam character, but I think thats your personal choice thus I can't interfere no matter how much I wanted to argue because I think there's nothing wrong with Sam in the few last season, I more complaining (because I can't be critism) about the plot / story line, still much more better than soap opera in my courty though. But on the point of Jared bottoming in many fanfiction lately, yeah I totally agree with you. I've been in this fandom longer than any fandom that I've ever know. There's just so much prompt or summary of the story lately that I'll likely want to read if only they make version where Jensen is the bottom.

Connecting to S8 Sam

[womanofletters.livejournal.com]

I completely understand your reaction. I think they did Sam's character a huge disservice in S8, and I prefer to think of it as the writers just plain messing up. (Let's put it this way. In any S8 fic _I_ write, Sam did actually look for Dean. He just didn't find him.)

That being said, I never thought of the question of Sam or Jared as "bottom" or "top" in any relationship. Maybe because I don't write M fics, or because I usually pair either Sam or Dean with a female OC? So your post has given me food for thought. I never saw Dean as submissive, though.

[samaya256.livejournal.com]

I feel exactly like you but on the opposite end of the spectrum . I cant read any bottom Dean/Jensen fics at all. I used to read switch/ top jared/sam fics but now its not possible for me at all. I don't know why but the way they treat Dean in Canon esp in latest season makes me really feel bad. So I like to see him getting control/respect at least in fiction. Which is very rare to find anyhow. Its like all the injustice really gets to me. And one more thing is I don't like when roles are assigned based on looks, like if someone's is pretty means they are bottom. Anyhow sorry if it is offensive to you really frustrated with spn right now. And this is like my first comment on LJ.

[samaya256.livejournal.com]

Okay I understand from where you are coming. But I think there is a fundamental difference in the way we watch the show. For me I started watching because of dean. Still remember watching skin and thinking that this is going to be my fav show. So I saw/still see that hero in dean. The unsung hero who sacrifices himself for higher good be it saving people, family or world. yeah he is damaged but who isn't and frankly for me it was great that he overcame that damage (to some extent) by himself and enjoyed hunting. So even when he sold his soul I could understand cause I would've done the same for my sister in those circumstances. So what attracted me to this character was his strength and attitude. And after hell JA portrayed the trauma very realistic and I felt like even when he is shattered he held that inner strength. I liked the character very much till first half of the 5th season.

For me dean never was submissive, he was merely doing what needs to be done and usually he was left with no option but follow. Sam had/might still have issues with pride and dean had to make difficult decisions esp in season 5 and I cant blame him as world was at stake. I really don't want to talk about second half of 5th season because that is a can of worms waiting to be opened. So overall I admired Dean even with his issues.

I think where we really differ is this. I am not interested in emotions that much. And even if Dean is damaged to great extent due to all the experiences he had, I'd like him to overcome them by himself. I don't want him to be protected/cherished/comforted by other characters. To me he is a warrior/protector(that does not mean I want him to be sam's or anyone else's caretaker...no) I want him to have a voice and demand whenever he is mistreated like we all do. All the angst is pointless after sometime. My belief is only one who can help someone is themselves only.

And I would like to see dean in a position of power. That's because he is the only one who doesn't want/misuse it. So he deserves it. But prob that would never happen. Or he should let go and snap like stop being the moral center of the show.That would give a new turn to the show. But again that's my day dreaming. Because of all these I can never see him as bottom in any relationship its like some cosmic imbalance to me. It was really great chatting with you. I have other thoughts on what you posted about the portraying of top/bottom in the fandom but I think I rant too much as it is. If you like we can continue the discussion. Anyhow have a good day.

[saltandburnboys.livejournal.com]

God, do I feel you on the abundance of bottom!Jared prompts and stories at the moment. I've had to stop tracking SPN kink meme prompts because of it. In the case of SPN kink meme, I genuinely think it's just a couple of people going on mad posting sprees and as much as I'm fine with people posting whatever they want...could they just maybe leave a little bit of a break between there re-prompts of every bottom!Jared prompt that's ever been posted? I'm not judging, really I'm not, but each round, I'm left so uninspired that I haven't written anything new in months!

And I know it's stereotyping and I'm by no means an expert of gay relationships but,,,I just can't picture Jared or Sam as the bottom. Sam is a complete control freak and, if you look at every single sex scene he's ever had on the show, he dominated the hell out of his women. dean just doesn't. He craves guidance, leadership...he's the perfect little soldier - he's submissive at heart, in my opinion, and so damn desperate to be loved, I just can't see him dominating anyone. To be fair, making that canon was the reason I loved the Amazon episode...that girl topped the hell out of him.

I haven't seen season eight but I'm already irritated that they gave the storyline to Sam. I love Sam, I do, but I've always seen the show as being about dean and those trials would've been a perfect story arc for him...and we've just had crazy!Sam for like half a series...I wanted some prime Dean!pain. Coz to me, with everything I've read, they seem to have just skimmed over all his PTSD and how Sam FREAKING DIDN'T LOOK FOR HIM! How he didn't even try!!

Plus, I'm still annoyed they sent Sam to hell in season five (that was Dean's storyline, not Sam's) so I kind of wanted to be vindicated in this season with Dean doing the trials. *sighs*.

Sorry for that huge rant but I can hardly find anyone else who's feeling at all put out by all the bottom!Jared/Sam in the fandom at the moment...