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Jun. 21st, 2013 01:00 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
liliaethI think I'm starting to have a problem in both Supernatural's RPS as well as the FPS fandom.
Lately I've started to notice more and more people writing Jared, or even worse, Sam, as the bottom in the pairing. (at least with Jared there's no canon personality to do away with, but Sam is so obviously a top in canon that putting him as the bottom in any pairing pulls me right out of the story) That along with the rise of Misha/Castiel centric kink fic. I don't like it, and not just for aesthetic reasons.
I know it's nobody elses problem but mine, but I'm just not as emotionally attached to Jared, Sam, Misha or Castiel as I am to Dean and Jensen. And I really dislike reading Jensen or Dean written as the top. It just doesn't suit either character, at all(Dean is just so deliciously submissive in most of his interactions with women and he looks so pretty when dominated, that having him on top just takes something away from his potential). Well that and I tend to emotionally invest in the bottom in the pairing. So if you put a character I'm not as invested in, as the bottom of the pairing, I just won't connect as strongly to your fic as I would to one with Jensen or Dean as the bottom.
It's annoying really, when fandom seems to be moving in a direction that holds little to no interest to me, and I wish there was a way to get more people back into writing Dean or Jensen as the bottom *pouts*
Also added on to this...
If you want me to start liking Sam again after s8, then the answer isn't Dean finding out just how bad Sam really had it while Dean was in Purgatory, cause right now, I find it hard enough to have sympathy with Sam, without the writer having Dean needing to start feeling sorry for his brother.
What I need to read is Sam realizing just how bad things were for his brother in Purgatory, him to start feeling sorry for what he did to his brother and maybe possibly, him starting to show some remorse over his attitude towards his brother.
I find it hard enough to keep liking Sam, and the very last thing I need is someone going on the woe poor Sam path, cause right now, I just don't fucking care.
Lately I've started to notice more and more people writing Jared, or even worse, Sam, as the bottom in the pairing. (at least with Jared there's no canon personality to do away with, but Sam is so obviously a top in canon that putting him as the bottom in any pairing pulls me right out of the story) That along with the rise of Misha/Castiel centric kink fic. I don't like it, and not just for aesthetic reasons.
I know it's nobody elses problem but mine, but I'm just not as emotionally attached to Jared, Sam, Misha or Castiel as I am to Dean and Jensen. And I really dislike reading Jensen or Dean written as the top. It just doesn't suit either character, at all(Dean is just so deliciously submissive in most of his interactions with women and he looks so pretty when dominated, that having him on top just takes something away from his potential). Well that and I tend to emotionally invest in the bottom in the pairing. So if you put a character I'm not as invested in, as the bottom of the pairing, I just won't connect as strongly to your fic as I would to one with Jensen or Dean as the bottom.
It's annoying really, when fandom seems to be moving in a direction that holds little to no interest to me, and I wish there was a way to get more people back into writing Dean or Jensen as the bottom *pouts*
Also added on to this...
If you want me to start liking Sam again after s8, then the answer isn't Dean finding out just how bad Sam really had it while Dean was in Purgatory, cause right now, I find it hard enough to have sympathy with Sam, without the writer having Dean needing to start feeling sorry for his brother.
What I need to read is Sam realizing just how bad things were for his brother in Purgatory, him to start feeling sorry for what he did to his brother and maybe possibly, him starting to show some remorse over his attitude towards his brother.
I find it hard enough to keep liking Sam, and the very last thing I need is someone going on the woe poor Sam path, cause right now, I just don't fucking care.
Re: Connecting to S8 Sam
Date: 2013-06-25 10:42 am (UTC)I think the worst part of s8, is that they could have easily solved half the problem with Sam, if they'd had him mention that he tried to look for Dean, and didn't have a clue where even to begin, or that he tried, and failed.
My biggest issue never was about Sam not finding Dean, it's that as far as we've seen in canon, he never even bothered to look.
Hell I was all for Dean being with Lisa, because if he hadn't had her, he'd probably have gotten himself killed within a week. But... we know that he did try to find a way to get Sam out of hell and couldn't find anything.
And that's the writer's fault, because they should have given Sam the same out. (Well that and they should have made Sam's relationship with Amelia more interesting, maybe show Sam as more of an outsider in an attempt at a regular life, anything to put some life in that relationship, other than make it a soap opera)
And then they worsened the issue there already was with Sam, by having him act as if Dean being back was an annoyance that got in the way of his chance at a normal life for most of the first half of the season, constantly threatening to leave.
It's why the final scene of s8 utterly fell flat for me, because all of a sudden we're supposed to believe that Sam feels bad about letting Dean down, when he clearly didn't give a fuck about any of that before in the first half of the season. (well that and it felt like though he didn't want Dean, he didn't want Dean to have anyone else either)
I mean, a lot of people complain about Sera, but at least her Sam, even when he was soulless, still felt like the same character. The Sam in s8 was completely disconnected from the Sam of the first seven seasons.
Re: Connecting to S8 Sam
Date: 2013-06-25 04:41 pm (UTC)I almost felt like we were watching Soulless Sam again.
They never went into that, never explained it. And I think that was essential. His emotional disconnection was so unlike Sam, it smacked of someone who was very badly damaged.
The whole problem with Season 8 was timing. They gave way too much time to the Amelia relationship and never gave us any payoff from it. If you spend half a season on something, I expect it to mean something at the end of the season. And really, Amelia didn't mean much in the end. And they had Sam acting wildly out of character but never explained it. And Jeremy Carver, in an interview I read, didn't seem to feel there was a need to.
That's poor plotting of the story arc.
I could see Sam's guilt at the end of the season because that's how Sam _would_ react. And the whole "Benny's a vampire" argument -- well, I pretty much put that down to jealousy. Something like "he's replaced me". I could get that, actually, because it fit with Sam's feelings of being an inadequate brother, which we've seen in previous seasons. The second half of the season resonated much more with me. The first half just seemed poorly done.
Re: Connecting to S8 Sam
Date: 2013-06-28 08:23 am (UTC)Had Dean died, had his head been cut off, shot etc and Sam had had to bury him, I'd have had no problem with him moving on. But he let Dean suffer, alone...with all the knowledge he has of the supernatural, all the tools at his disposal. It's so OOC, I'm almost sure the writers were high when they wrote that storyline.
Loads of people say that Dean did the same thing...he didn't. He said that when he went to Lisa, he checked every book, every way to get Sam out, even though he'd promised not to.
Btw, since I haven't seen season eight, does Sam ever apologise for not looking for Dean?
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