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[liliaeth]

I think I'm starting to have a problem in both Supernatural's RPS as well as the FPS fandom.

Lately I've started to notice more and more people writing Jared, or even worse, Sam, as the bottom in the pairing. (at least with Jared there's no canon personality to do away with, but Sam is so obviously a top in canon that putting him as the bottom in any pairing pulls me right out of the story) That along with the rise of Misha/Castiel centric kink fic. I don't like it, and not just for aesthetic reasons.

I know it's nobody elses problem but mine, but I'm just not as emotionally attached to Jared, Sam, Misha or Castiel as I am to Dean and Jensen. And I really dislike reading Jensen or Dean written as the top. It just doesn't suit either character, at all(Dean is just so deliciously submissive in most of his interactions with women and he looks so pretty when dominated, that having him on top just takes something away from his potential). Well that and I tend to emotionally invest in the bottom in the pairing. So if you put a character I'm not as invested in, as the bottom of the pairing, I just won't connect as strongly to your fic as I would to one with Jensen or Dean as the bottom.

It's annoying really, when fandom seems to be moving in a direction that holds little to no interest to me, and I wish there was a way to get more people back into writing Dean or Jensen as the bottom *pouts*

Also added on to this...

If you want me to start liking Sam again after s8, then the answer isn't Dean finding out just how bad Sam really had it while Dean was in Purgatory, cause right now, I find it hard enough to have sympathy with Sam, without the writer having Dean needing to start feeling sorry for his brother.

What I need to read is Sam realizing just how bad things were for his brother in Purgatory, him to start feeling sorry for what he did to his brother and maybe possibly, him starting to show some remorse over his attitude towards his brother.

I find it hard enough to keep liking Sam, and the very last thing I need is someone going on the woe poor Sam path, cause right now, I just don't fucking care.

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[saltandburnboys.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I do understand that. There does seem to be an abundance of one or the other in the fandom...so, when I first came along, the fandom was very much swinging the bottom!Jensen/Dean way and now it's obviously not. So I do sympathise with you there.

Lol, it's funny how differently people see things, huh? I've always seem Dean as a follower, not weak (I've never thought he was weak - he's the strongest character I've ever seen on a TV show, in my opinion) - I just see him as moulding himself into whatever his loved ones want him to be...and, in the process, gets himself all twisted up because of it.

But, I can totally see your side and what you said about their sex scenes. I obviously just see it the way I want! ;-)

Yeah, see, I love Sam. I'm a Dean!girl but I love Sam; there aren't many characters I don't like actually which I why I love the show so much but season eight!Sam has made me so angry. And I think it's just because he'd NEVER do that. I've always thought he was selfish (sorry, if you're a huge Sam!girl) - it's his biggest flaw and they all have them in SPN. Which, again, is why I like it so much...it's so true to life - no one's perfect. But, one, he's become much less selfish as he's grown older and wiser and, two, he's never been selfish when Dean's been in danger. Leaving him for Stanford might've been selfish but Sam knew Dean was safe at the time - he could leave with a relatively clear conscience then. But the idea of him just saying 'Well, I think he might be dead, so I'm not even gonna check' is just ridiculous. :-/

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[samaya256.livejournal.com]

"Yeah, see, I love Sam. I'm a Dean!girl but I love Sam; there aren't many characters I don't like actually which I why I love the show so much but season eight!Sam has made me so angry. And I think it's just because he'd NEVER do that. I've always thought he was selfish (sorry, if you're a huge Sam!girl) - it's his biggest flaw and they all have them in SPN. Which, again, is why I like it so much...it's so true to life - no one's perfect. But, one, he's become much less selfish as he's grown older and wiser and, two, he's never been selfish when Dean's been in danger. Leaving him for Stanford might've been selfish but Sam knew Dean was safe at the time - he could leave with a relatively clear conscience then. But the idea of him just saying 'Well, I think he might be dead, so I'm not even gonna check' is just ridiculous."

No I am not a Sam!Girl in case you haven't figured it out. I consider myself as Dean!Fan, somehow Dean!Girl seems too much like teenage adoration. But you know what the way Sam treated Dean in latest season I am not at all shocked by it. He acted like Dean has done some crime by coming back and spoiling his perfect life. So in the light of this behavior if I see the past seasons then I can totally argue and prove that he never liked Dean but just tolerated him. So this is definitely in character for him. I just had to remove my "brotherly bond" goggles to see it. On top of that Dean does not have anything to do on the show and even if he is pretty I cant just watch that. I mean when a character becomes one dimensional then it is boring.

"I've always seen the show as being about dean and those trials would've been a perfect story arc for him"

Somehow I missed this part of your comment. But in reality show is about Sam and the story is told from Dean's POV. Audience usually get attached to POV character but that does not make POV character protagonist . So this POV character's storyline's are secondary or dropped off. He is related to story only through the protagonist. If I take this view then I can totally see why Sam is very important to Dean but the feeling is not reciprocated. Most of the fanfics follow the same path because basic structure is already given. In conclusion this is just a show and I should stop banging my head and accept the reality.

[saltandburnboys.livejournal.com]

You honestly think Sam never cared for Dean? What about when Dean died or when he 'fake' died? He went completely off the rails.

Well again, I suppose that's a point to view thing again. I think the show was meant to be about Sam (which is why Jared is billed first), but for me, it very much became about Dean once their father became involved.

Lol, true, I probably am a little juvenile in how much I like the show...but, you know, I'm so serious about real life, I figure I'll give myself a break and go fangirl-ly about Dean.

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[samaya256.livejournal.com]

Of course Sam cared for Dean during the deal time. Dean was dying for him, so he had to care otherwise character would've become unwatchable. I mean I would care even if some stranger dies for me, that is expected of all decent human beings. But this care doesn't mean Sam respects Dean Or its not equal to the way Dean cares about Sam.

Yeah for me also show had become about Dean, but I was just pointing out that that is not the case in reality. So that I can be ready for whatever they do with Dean's character. If I see him as a sidekick then it will hurt less to see him useless. Sorry for the rant but sometimes I feel that I should've never started watching this show :(

[saltandburnboys.livejournal.com]

Rant away, I don't mind. :-)

I'll never regret watching it even if I hate season eight coz the show changed my life...I know it's cheesy but I started watching during a really bad time in my life...and it made it not so bad. I could never regret that.

I won't ever agree about Sam because I love his character too but I do agree with one thing, I don't think he cares about Dean as much as Dean cares about him...but I think that's purely from their messed up upbringing leading to Dean's unhealthy need to protect him.

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