Spider-Man and other Marvel related rant subjects.

[liliaeth]

I'm just so sick and tired of seeing Peter fail at anything he does, all the time, all the way, often for no reason other than a cheap laugh or Quesada's stance of 'isn't he such a loveable loser'.

He's not a lovable loser, he's a Loser, plain and simple. He's not allowed any real victories, whatsoever.

I just Amazing Spider-Man family 2 and the only new bit worth reading in that entire issue, was the Mr and Mrs Spider-Man bit, because it was the only part of the comic that felt like Spider-Man to me.

When will these writers stop their one note writing, where Peter Parker is actually allowed to be a hero again, instead of being made to look like a loser at just about anything.

It used to be that sure you got your occasional story of Spidey failing at something. But they were a one in a dozen story kind of thing. Set in between moments of Spidey being bad ass or helping people.

But now, it's like every story has to have a center point of Peter Parker failing at one thing or another or basically failing at everything. Any good thing that he's ever done in the past is made to look like 'well it might have looked good then, but really, this is why it was bad'

It's ...

It used to be that Spider-Man was about responsibility, about living up to your responsibilities, about doing the right thing, no matter how difficult it made life for you, or how many sacrifices you had to make. But now... all that is a faded picture of the past that Mister Quesada seems to want thrown out as fast as possible. Because in his one note idea of Spider-Man, all the character about is :"A guy who fails"

I mean is that a character you'd want to read about? Seriously?

I don't get why anyone, and I do mean, anyone, who ever loved Spidey would want to support a character like that.

BND has been the status quo for almost ten months now and in those ten months, three issues a month, Peter Parker hasn't had a single major victory. He hasn't done anything making him worthy of the title 'hero'. He's been a failure throughout.

Why would someone, anyone, especially the publisher of Marvel allow that to happen to their company's flagship character?

I used to be a positive person in regards to Marvel, I like being positive, but there just isn't anything to be positive about where the current run of Spider-Man is concerned.

It's boring, one note, not funny at all and in my opinion, Peter Parker hasn't been in an issue of Spider-Man, other than those set in Ultimate, MA or mc2 since Sensational Spider-Man 41.

And worst of all, that note of failure has been spreading across the Marvel Universe.

I wanted to like New Avengers, I really did, and before Civil War, I gladly bought every issue. But now... It's like Bendis doesn't give a damn about the characters that he's actually supposed to be writing about.

I have no interest whatsoever in Secret Invasion, and these Skrull flashbacks are boring as hell.

I have no interest in Nick Fury or his band of kids, as if we even needed any more of them.

It's gotten so bad that the only character in Avengers: the Initiative I still care about is a Skrull called Crusader, because he's the only character that's actually being written as a person anymore...

Come on Marvel, where have your heroes gone?

Comments

[htbthomas.livejournal.com]

I really applaud you still reading and ranting over this stuff. I jumped 616 ship at the start of BND, and I'm so glad! It's good to hear that I was right to do so.

USM continues to be awesome, but I'm all kinds of sad about Spider-Girl ending AGAIN. :(((((((

[liliaeth]

The main reason I've gone over to Ultimate Spider-Man is because he still feels like Peter.

I might not like the Venom storyline, but I still like Peter in it. Which is a lot more than I can say about the guy in ASM these days.

[redwulf50.livejournal.com]

ok, correct me if I am wrong but at one point didn't this 'love able loser' put the beatdown on Firelord, I think that was his name, a former herald of Galactus? Same guy who went toe to toe with Silver Surfer, Thor and Hercules? What does Q just hate the guy or what?

I think Spiderman is getting what Nightwing got for years, a writer that a. doesn't really like him and b. doesn't understand him. The two have much in common, both live in the night, but neither is a dark depressing character. They are both the kind of guys that other guys tended not to like in school, good looking, smart as hell, great athletes, though Peter wasn't in school, and they make their jobs look easy. Like Dick
Peter's loveable losses generaly come when he is over confident or way underconfident. Not in normal situations. They might just be hard as hell to write correctly *shrugs*

[redwulf50.livejournal.com]

also if I remember right a lot of times Peter screwed up was out of costume and generally something he said. He would make a very 'young male' type remark and piss off/annoy those around him. See that was cute, him being made a failure, that is a crime

[liliaeth]

Another thing that used to be the case, was that if Peter messed up, he'd then clean up the mess and make things better. He might rarely be able to do so in his own benefit, but he'd generally make things better for his friends, innocent people and so on...

If he messed things up for someone, he'd clean up his own mess and the other person would end up coming out of it better than before.

He used to make a difference, in the positive sense, not endanger innocent people, or ruin his friends lives.

[redwulf50.livejournal.com]

yeah sounds like the writer doesn't know him, doesn't like him or both

[liliaeth]

And yet they 'claim' they do this because they love Spider-Man.

I honestly can't see how anyone who loves Spidey, could write him the way they do. I really can't.

ok

[redwulf50.livejournal.com]

I hate to presume that any so called writer from either Marvel or DC have a plan, but... could it be that Spidey is the way he is out of guilt and the anguish of losing MJ??

Re: ok

[liliaeth]

I seriously doubt it, the current writing seems to lack any depth and if that were the case, they'd be dramming it in our heads with every issue, like they did with the webbing.

Re: ok

[redwulf50.livejournal.com]

Just wait at some point in the future when they have nearly destroyed him the Editor in chief will say "Lets kill off Spidey in this months Marvel wide crossover. That will make an impact." and if you guys are real lucky some fawning boot licker *cough* I mean hack *cough* I mean writer will look up and say "NO! Spidey is a great character his writers just suck."


OK shutting up now before you decide to kill me.

Re: ok

[liliaeth]

I just can't wait for my generation to get in control of comics, so that we get the characters we grew up with back. On the other hand, I worry about some peoples memories in that regards*g*

[bananainpyjamas.livejournal.com]

He's not a lovable loser, he's a Loser, plain and simple.

THIS. No one wants to read a story where the hero is so pathetic. The writers are trying to go back to the Silver Age feel, but they don't realize that even then Peter wasn't such a sap. Plus he was, you know, a teenager. I'd hope they'd let him grow up a little since then.

[liliaeth]

Thing is, even in the silver age, Spider-Man was bad ass. He was good at what he did. He isn't anymore.

[betterthanlegos.livejournal.com]

Marvel just...isn't the best right now ):

[liliaeth]

They've made it so bad, that right now, I have more fun reading DC, than Marvel.

[betterthanlegos.livejournal.com]

I know what you mean. I've been reading a lot of Wildstorm and back issues lately..

[liliaeth]

I'm just happy for Blue Beetle, these days Jaime feels a lot more like Peter Parker than the guy in Amazing Spider-Man does.

[axolotl-lan.livejournal.com]

-- Agreed sooo much!

Plus he is a wonderful counter to the your parents should be dead or offscreen or it detracts from the capability of your character... because damn his parents are wonderful... and the sibling relationship is written very well.

[liliaeth]

Exactly, he gets to have a wonderful relationship with his parents, without having that boring "hide his secret identities from his family' nonsense. He's just a good kid, trying to do his best...

Say you wouldn't happen to be interested in a Tim/Peter fic, would you?

I desperately need someone to help me with a fic that needs to be posted next week for the DC/Marvel ficathon and I know too few people who are interested in DC.

(that and will I ever see that Cap and Peter fic?*eg*

[axolotl-lan.livejournal.com]

*ahem* Were you waving a chance for unconvetional Peter action where I can try to make up for the Cap Peter fic that sits staring at me on my laptop!
My semester ends on friday which will give me a chance to reread the Cap Peter in the way that involves the ultimate decision (either delete it forever and rewrite something fresh, see if it is repairable or ask for a different request from you... <--- and this is actually the sort of thing I angst over just so you know, it bothers me when the character's voice comes off wrong and it wasn't meant to. )

Do you use aim or another manner of instant messenger or conventional e-mail bouncing for fic aid?

[liliaeth]

Well I'm not saying anything... but I could really use the help. Got the same voices problem. I've just never written Robin or Batman fic before, so...

I'm on aim as lilithdemonmom, and on yim as krajsman

[pervyficgirl.livejournal.com]

I have tried so hard to enjoy BND...but I can't. I have no interest or relatability to either Spidey or "Jackpot." Both annoyed me in every single panel they were in. So I jumped ship.

[liliaeth]

He just ain't Spidey no more. And I just don't care wether Jackpot is MJ or not, they've dragged it out far far too long.

I mean, we're supposed to be wondering who Menace is, yet all I can say to that is a big 'Who gives a damn?'

The entire BND nonsense thing is as much of a failure as they're trying to make Spidey out to be.

[samguthrie1.livejournal.com]

When Marvel's messing up their flagship character this badly, it's a sign that the end of the world's comin', plain and simple.

[liliaeth]

I just didn't think they could ever manage to so utterly and completely destroy a character as lovable as Spidey.

[axolotl-lan.livejournal.com]

on the last note Secret Invasion is a bit of a conflict for me- I think in theory it's a cute concept for rehashing the status quo a this is why we need heroes and how registration can be a bad thing without making the registrants appear bad for following a legalistic morality. The PROBLEM with it is how long it's been dragged out Bendis thinks so far ahead but he doesn't leave hints significant enough until it's too late then he is hinting and explaining and dancing in six different directions and you get the confusing WTF mess that is secret invasion.
Sometimes I just want them to manage SMALLER/Shorter events- no that doesn't lessen the scale it just means take all your titles whatever that are involved in the event THERE together maybe the connected "running from spidey # to FF # of the past" if you want to boost sales again permitting you don't fall into the OVERBOARD confusion of it that eventually began to happen when they did it that way. Let those issues release smoothley over a period of three months and then bam that was your event.

- I swear to god I would be all over those, I like it when events are done that way they are more intimate and you often get better facetime with the characters being featured.

Peter *sighs* Peter... I heard Dan Slott talking about Peter Parker and he was all OMG I loved it when my first ever issue of spiderman was about him losing and it was such a shock to me that a hero could exist like that >_< sooo we have some writer bias in terms of reminiscence.

I want some win Peter and that doesn't mean I 'ASKED FOR IT' and want an issue of Peter going out with a pair of hookers wearing pimp gear. He's got his fetishes we've seen the webs and the spider suit we don't need anymore.

Personally to me Peter's more significant failings were brought on by taking on too much responsibility beyond what one man even with superpowers could handle - yeah he left his aunt may hanging but he was being a friend to Harry, getting Electro and Doc Ock had a moment and he had an exam due the next morning whatever.

I miss MJ...I really do this is almost worse than killing her... wait it IS WORSE!

I keep hearing about this dark reign and wanting to smash my head against my pillows until it bleeds *Like my reply rant I am all for the excersizes in futility!*

The heroes have gone into hiding, they are under different names and guise in a safe holding facility waiting until the train comes to a complete and disastrous halt before putting it back on the tracks and boarding it once more.

[liliaeth]

See I agree, Secret Invasion could have been a nice storyline. The Skrull thing has been used before to good results, just see Lyja a few years back. And I do love Crusader.

The thing just is that Bendis is so busy showing the Skrull side of things, that they're almost coming off as the heroes, instead of the actual characters of the book. We get to see their viewpoints, their hopes, their fears. But we get little or no viewpoints from the human heroes. All they seem to get is massive and boring fightscenes.

(this was a problem with civil war as well, way too many fightscenes and few or no personal scenes, but at least then you still got personal scenes in their own books, something that's missing now)

Like they did Secret Invasion Spider-Man, but Spider-Man isn't even in it, instead it focussed on the boring supporting cast and Jackpot.

And Mighty Avengers suffered seriously with that Nick Fury focus. Maybe it's cause I don't really care that much about Nick Fury, but I just don't give a damn about any of the new team he assembled. The book was supposed to be about a set of characters set in place in the first few issues. Not about a bunch of newbie chars that nobody cares enough about to want to get know to know better. (and sure I wanted to see Ares' kid, but I wanted to see him for his interactions with his dad, not for whatever the hell Bendis is doing to him)


Hell, it's a problem I also have with the current arc of Ultimate Spidey. Even though Bendis is still a million times better at writing Spidey than Slott is, he's focussing way too much on Eddie Brock.

I don't care about Eddie Brock, I want the focus to be on Peter and his friends *grumble*

re: Spiderman

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

On the bright side, the Spiderman movies are still going on, so a lot of new fans (of which I'm kinda one) that are brought in, would lean on the power means more responsibility Peter, as portrayed in the movie.

Re: Spiderman

[liliaeth]

It's just too bad that the only thing that Quesada and his ilk seem to have taken from the movie is 'people like Harry', which sure... could mean something if the Harry in the comics were likeable, or his return from the dead made any sense. But since it doesn't...