Amazing Spider-Man 545 and BND

[liliaeth]

I just read the issue and I can say only one thing...




Thank God I ended my subscription to Amazing and transferred all remaining issues to Spider-Girl.

I expected it to be bad, but I didn't expect it to be quite this horrifyingly bad.


I mean, it's worse than I thought it could ever be. Not only is Harry back, but to make it even worse, they ruin his char beyond anything imaginable. I mean the guy shows up with a girlfriend!
What about Liz, what about little Normie?

What about Harry's growth before his death?

The char shown in this issue doesn't even ressemble the real Harry Osborn.

And worst of all, not only does aunt May not know that Peter is Spider-Man, Peter is actually back to living with her!

Hell I'm even angrier that Aunt May no longer knows he's Spider-Man, than about the marriage. because with her no longer knowing, as it seems to be the case from both the scene we get in Amazing 545 and that FCBD issue, she's just been turned back into a waste of pagespace as if the very idea of woman that's actually shown as intelligent and competent goes in against their idea of right and wrong

It's like they want to make Peter not just a nerd, but the stereotypical nerd who still lives with his mom. There is no way whatsoever that I will give any money to read about this kind of Peter Parker, no matter who's writing it, or how pretty the art looks.



Thanks for saving me over ten dollars a month Quesada, I'm through with Amazing till this retcon is undone.

Interview with Quesada about OMD

Comments

[htbthomas.livejournal.com]

GOD... I just finished myself. I am definitely not reading BND now. *clings to SG, SMLMJ and USM*

[liliaeth]

It's just like a huge slap in the face of any longtime Spidey fan. Worse than that, it's an insult to every woman and girl reading Spider-Man.

The sucklevel of it goes beyond anything even I expected of it.

[htbthomas.livejournal.com]

No kidding. And now I'm letting a friend tell me any and all spoilers for BND (which I asked he not share before) because I just don't care to actually read it myself. I'm shaking my head sadly at them and WTF??-ing in disbelief and apathy (which is a weird combo to be sure.)

[liliaeth]

To make things even worse, that man does not have a single bit of a clue about Spider-Man
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=203299

[van-el.livejournal.com]

Howdy, I happen to the be friend that Barb just mentioned. If you want any of the above stuff mentioned, please drop me a line and I'll be happy to help. Hopefully I can find SOME glimmer of hope for you.

[liliaeth]

would be nice*g*

[iggywaffle.livejournal.com]

Was popping through here looking for fanfic, saw this, and had to comment.

God, I'm just... D: I'm completely disgusted. I have no words for what a mess this is, and how completely self-centered Quesada is being. He had other completely legit sandboxes to play in if he wanted a fresh, new Spider-Man for the upcoming generation of comic readers -- there was absolutely no need to mess with a good thing.

I'm getting really tired of this guy. He's made a couple of good calls, but most everything has been shit decisions ever since he got in the chair. -headdesk- I think a little part of my soul just died.

[liliaeth]

I just don't understand why he seems to want to throw away the money that the fans could give him, esp. like this.

[iggywaffle.livejournal.com]

:/ Because he's a biased, opinionated fan who to our misfortune gets to sit in the big man's chair. I can't wait for someone else to take over. Quesada's had a couple of good ideas, but even so, he's pretty much completely crippled Marvel.

[elspethdixon.livejournal.com]

Speaking as a hardcore Cap and Iron Man fan... I share y'all's pain, but it could be worse. At least Peter and MJ are still alive, and there is the possibility that it will be retconned and fixed at some point in the future. Harry coming back at least has the potential to be very interesting, but I agree that Aunt May no longer knowing about Peter is *stabitty* territory.

Personally, I'm going to keep using pre-One-More-Day canon in my fic, and ignore the BND stuff totally.

At least with Spidey (unlike Cap and Iron Man), the Ultimate-verse canon is actually decent with recognizable characterization, so there's still a universe to get good canon in.

[liliaeth]

hmm, the difference I see is that Tony is now more interesting than ever, while Steve's death well... it's Marvel, he's probably back by issue 50.

Neither of the chars lose their continuity or their charactergrowth.

Where as the new status quo for Spider-Man pretty much obliterates Spidey's continuity and growth of the past thirty years. It's like he's not even the same character anymore. Everything that made the character so great is pretty much erased. And MJ? She'd be better of dead than the plans they have for her as Jackpot. It's like they took one of the strongest and most kick ass female supporting chars at Marvel and try and turn her into a incompetent shell of her previous self. They're no longer Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson Parker, just some typical single twenty something (even though they're at least thirty) heroes like there are hundreds of others around.

Compared to that, I'd love to have what they did to Cap and Tony. By now, even though I'd hate for MJ to die, I'd rather have had them end the marriage with her dying and Peter mourning her for the next few years, like they had Tony do with Steve, than to have them simply dismiss the marriage and destroy Peter's character.

[elspethdixon.livejournal.com]

And MJ? She'd be better of dead than the plans they have for her as Jackpot.

See, I just completely don't get that change. MJ's never been a superhero, and she doesn't need to be one. The other alterations are basically hitting a reset button to the 1960s (which, IMO, is redundant given that Ultimate Spiderman already exists to do that, and does it well), but that one is just... WTF, Mark Waid?

I kind of liked the idea of Peter and MJ willingly giving up their marriage to save May, but had it been up to me, MJ disappearing from Peter's life would be the only thing that changed, because the rest... it's just over-the-top. (And then, of course, MJ - who would be exactly the same and not a superhero for no discernable reason - and Peter would meet up and fall in love all over again, and the writers could have fun with all of the hints at their previous relationship, the "We've just met but I feel as if I've known you for years," and so on).

The thing that's really puzzling me is that this big a retcon (we're talking almost House of M level -- with every aspect of Peter and MJ's live being altered) is going to completely screw with the canon for other titles Peter's in. I mean, Peter's unmasking was a huge part of Civil War, and he's a regular character in New Avengers. ASM is not an isolated title in its own little bubble; how are they going to explain the huge swaths of Avengers and general Marvel-verse history they're doing away with?

I'm hoping that, like House of M, this universe-rewrite thing will only last for about six-to-twelve issues, and then things will get reverted to normal continuity, with some of the changes (May being alive, possibly Harry's return from the dead, the way Clint stayed alive after the end of House of M) lingering.