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[liliaeth]

Just read this rant on Wedding Crashers through Metaquotes



Now I haven't seen the movie, probably wouldn't have anyway since I'm not into slapstick. But this reminds me painfully of Gone. The whole males can't be raped... resulting in making it ok for Buffy to throw Spike against the wall, tear his clothes off and start the sex before he even finds out it's her. Not to mention, even worse, later on having her ignore his no as he's asking her to leave and starting to go down on him until a point where he had to throw her out to get her to stop.

It's weird but the worst part of that was the funny music. That it's ok for Buffy to do so, cause there's funny music, and if she's pouting because he had the guts to throw her out. So it's ok for her to force him into sex. (esp. compared to the depiction of Seeing Red)

Yeah, I know, a lot of people'd say it isn't the same thing, but damn it, it is.

Rape is rape, wether it's a man raping a woman or a woman raping a man. The only difference is, Spike felt enough guilt to go fight to get his soul back; Buffy was just pissed off that he dared to say no.

Sorry reading that just brought up one of my main issues with s6, uhm, I do like Buffy, still do, just get furious on occasion how many of her sins to Spike were just utterly ignored. Because she's the girl, the hero and that's just wrong.

Don't even get me started on how little attention was spent on Willow's rape, both of the mind and body of Tara. (sorry, but if you have sex with someone who's under the influence (wether through a roofie or through magic) then that's rape. And Willow should NOT have gotten away with it as easily as she did.

End of rant.

Comments

[shapinglight]

I was re-reading some very old emails I wrote during season 6 last night and although I don't think I can equate that scene from Gone with the attempted rape, there were many other instances of rape in that season, including what Willow did to Tara (several times) and worst of all, what the 3 nerds did to Katrina.

Of course, Warren ended up horribly dead, but it wasn't because of what he did to Katrina. She wasn't a scoobie so she didn't count, yet what the nerds did to here was 20 times worse than the bathroom thing because it was deliberate and pre-meditated.

Yet of all the rapists/potential rapists in season 6, Spike is the only one who was called on what he did and had to pay, and pay and pay.

One thing that really struck me when I was reading these old emails, was me gloomily predicting during the season hiatus that Spike would spend most of season 7 on his knees begging forgiveness before being graciously allowed to die for Buffy and then being instantly forgotten.

I can't believe looking back, how right I was. Wish I hadn't been.

[sunryse00.livejournal.com]

worst of all, what the 3 nerds did to Katrina.

And where my deep and unending hate for Andrew comes from. He was part of the whole Katrina thing, thought it was cool and couldn't wait for his chance. But his punishment? He gets his own episode and everyone loves him. God I hate that little...

It all comes back to the whole unequality of human/demon. The humans (read: Joss's favorites) get free passes no matter what they do.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't stand Andrew either. My greatest fear regarding a possible Spike TV movie is that he'd be in it.

[sunryse00.livejournal.com]

Mine too, but I've braced myself that he will be because Andrew and TL are one of Joss's favs. (the only actor allowed to ad lib) My only hope is he dies a horrible death (check out 101 Ways to Kill Andrew by vampirefever)

[facingthesun.livejournal.com]

I've been rewatching the Buffy episodes with my brother and we're at Gone. I makes me very uncomfortable due to all the reasons you suggested. I guess Spike should've thought that it was a dream come true to have his clothes ripped off by an invisible person. If that happened to Buffy, just the invisible part--it'd be the end of the world.

[liliaeth]

maybe so, but that still doesn't solve the part at the end where Spike asks her to leave and she decides to go on in giving him a blowjob instead.

My $0.02

[vampslayer04.livejournal.com]

I'm really conflicted over this actually. Not because I don't agree with what was said, because otherwise I never would have posted to metaquotes, but now you're comparing it to Gone and I see the resemblence.

This raises several questions for me. Like: Should I even ship Spuffy if one character in the pairing is abusive to the other? Granted Buffy & Spike were pretty much abusive to each other, but Buffy's brand was infinitely more hurtful in the long run.

So I feel like a bad bad person for wanting her to get together with Spike, because, well, she doesn't deserve him.

Ack, this is becoming a whole 'nother post. Stopping now.

Re: My $0.02

[liliaeth]

I don't know really...
I've had that same thought. She was bad to him, abused him, mistreated him, but yet, I believe in redemption and that Spike loved her. The Buffy who was kind and caring is still there and I like that in fic it's brought out again.

[sunryse00.livejournal.com]

Thank you. I thought I was the only one that thought Buffy raped Spike in Gone. The Spike haters love to say that it wasn't rape because Spike gave in. Gag!

I do agree with those that replied to slammerkinbabe's post that it is in the context. If it's played for laughs people will find it funny. That is the difference between Gone and Seeing Red. Gone was played for laughs, SR wasn't. In the Buffyverse though the big major difference isn't that it was a male(Spike), but that there is a whole unequal of human/demon thing. As far as the Evilista's or Purist's felt (and by extension I'll lump Joss and Co because of their stance on demons) that because Spike is a demon and unsoulled at that point he didn't deserve the same considerations as would be afforded a human. (witness the whole Faith/Xander thing from S3 which was played as bad and wrong)

[liliaeth]

Thing with the Xander/Faith thing is that that bit pissed me off even more. Because they actually had Faith joke about it in s7. She mentions to Kennedy that whenever Anya starts off, she just has to remind her she had Xander first to shut her up.

The fact that Faith nearly raped and/or killed Xander (and would have if Angel hadn't stopped her) is completely ignored in favor of a joke.

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that Faith nearly raped and/or killed Xander (and would have if Angel hadn't stopped her) is completely ignored in favor of a joke.

I just chalk that up to the bad writing of S7, Marti Noxious and Faith's human. Really. If Andrew who's an excessory to rape and murder can become everyone's bestest bud, and Willow who can try to kill everyone and get nothing but a nice vacation in the English country, what Faith did to Xander 4 years earlier doesn't much matter.