Why my Buffy will never sub.

I'm a silly person, with silly ideas, so instead of just ignoring some latest challenge from someone on btvs kink, I decided to actually respond to it.

The guy asking for it, had this idea about a dominant Xander who makes the girls his bitches, under the influence of something or other. (he even had this idea that Xander might do so by using drugs or something at the start)

( Basic fact is, it went in so much aganst my ideas of Buffy that I responded with this )

As you might notice I'm very opinionated and should just have ignored the challenge post since well... it's his good right to have a kink about het dominant Xander.

Anyway, he responded like I said and it got this response out of me, after rereading it, I thought I might as well post it on my lj to at least save it as my ideas on Buffy as a dominant and some short notes on where in my opinion the other chars fall in the spectrum.


( My second response )

Now to add to that with a part I forgot to mention in the email. One argument that always convinced me of Buffy's unwillingness to submit happens in Crush.

Spike has her chained up. He also has Dru chained up. And he asks her one thing, one bit of a crumb and if she gives him that, just some notion that maybe, one day, in the future, not even right now, she might come to feel something for him. Then he'll stake Dru for her and let her go.

He has her helpless, threatens to set Dru on her and what's her response?
"The only chance you had with me was when I was unconscious."

Think about it, she was helpless, in his power and at risk of being fed to Dru and all she had to do was pretend to submit. She didn't even have to mean it. Just give in one bit, let Spike believe there was some hint of a chance and he'd have let her go.

But she doesn't, because Buffy doesn't submit. She also doesn't generally lie. But the basic fact is that Buffy's not someone who'd be happy letting someone else make her decisions for her. No matter who that decision maker would be.

And it's that exact quality in her that makes me a Buffy fan, so sorry if I'm a bit over the top about it, I just don't like to see my Buffy made into a sub, because to me a Buffy who subs post s2 is just plain not Buffy.

(For those wondering, no I don't think I'll give his posts. His first post was on a private yahoo group and his second response was in a personal email and I'm not sure if I have the right to post either of them without his permission. In case you're interested in his original post you can find and read it by joining thisgroups

Why my Buffy will never sub.

I'm a silly person, with silly ideas, so instead of just ignoring some latest challenge from someone on btvs kink, I decided to actually respond to it.

The guy asking for it, had this idea about a dominant Xander who makes the girls his bitches, under the influence of something or other. (he even had this idea that Xander might do so by using drugs or something at the start)

( Basic fact is, it went in so much aganst my ideas of Buffy that I responded with this )

As you might notice I'm very opinionated and should just have ignored the challenge post since well... it's his good right to have a kink about het dominant Xander.

Anyway, he responded like I said and it got this response out of me, after rereading it, I thought I might as well post it on my lj to at least save it as my ideas on Buffy as a dominant and some short notes on where in my opinion the other chars fall in the spectrum.


( My second response )

Now to add to that with a part I forgot to mention in the email. One argument that always convinced me of Buffy's unwillingness to submit happens in Crush.

Spike has her chained up. He also has Dru chained up. And he asks her one thing, one bit of a crumb and if she gives him that, just some notion that maybe, one day, in the future, not even right now, she might come to feel something for him. Then he'll stake Dru for her and let her go.

He has her helpless, threatens to set Dru on her and what's her response?
"The only chance you had with me was when I was unconscious."

Think about it, she was helpless, in his power and at risk of being fed to Dru and all she had to do was pretend to submit. She didn't even have to mean it. Just give in one bit, let Spike believe there was some hint of a chance and he'd have let her go.

But she doesn't, because Buffy doesn't submit. She also doesn't generally lie. But the basic fact is that Buffy's not someone who'd be happy letting someone else make her decisions for her. No matter who that decision maker would be.

And it's that exact quality in her that makes me a Buffy fan, so sorry if I'm a bit over the top about it, I just don't like to see my Buffy made into a sub, because to me a Buffy who subs post s2 is just plain not Buffy.

(For those wondering, no I don't think I'll give his posts. His first post was on a private yahoo group and his second response was in a personal email and I'm not sure if I have the right to post either of them without his permission. In case you're interested in his original post you can find and read it by joining thisgroups